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My backpacking sleeping system (sucks)

Jan 14, 2021

What gear I use in my sleep system during my backpacking trips, my (not ideal) experience spending nights in the backcountry and thoughts on how to improve it.

Hey gals and guys!


Today I want to talk about sleeping in the backcountry. Spoiler: I’m currently not exactly enjoying it. I mean, I enjoy the backcountry very much, but my sleep is far from ideal.


Similarly to my Tent review post, instead of plain review of the gear I use, which I think you can find anywhere, I want to talk more in depth about my experience with it as a system, about my sleep issues in the backcountry that some of you might relate to, and my thoughts about how it can be improved.


For reference, I normally don’t have sleep issues in regular life.

Nemo Dragonfly 2P Ultralight backpacking tent in Buckhorn camp

Overview of my backcountry sleep issues - will be expanding on each one a bit later.

  • Temperature - sometimes I’m cold while trying to fall asleep and hot during the night
  • Comfort - I’m usually not comfortable in my field bed
  • Digestion - many times my digestive system is still working while I'm going to sleep
  • Fear - sometimes it’s scary to sleep outdoors alone - as I do many solo trips

Overview of my sleep system

In my opinion, sleep system is not only the sleeping bag and sleeping pad, but also the base layers you sleep in, as they affect your comfort as well.

I’ll say a few words about each item and why I chose it, and will expand about the performance further below.

Sleeping bag

The one I went with is MEC Delphinus -9C Down women’s sleeping bag (link to the new version). While I started preparing for backpacking and researched my gear, this was an optimal combination of weight, warmth and price. It’s warm and cozy, by I’m starting to suspect that the mummy shape isn’t ideal for me.

MEC Delphinus -9C Down Sleeping Bag Women's
NeoAir XLite Women's Sleeping Pad

Sleeping pad

As far as my research went in the late 2019, NeoAir XLite Women's Sleeping Pad was the best rated, warm, compact and lightweight sleeping pad out there. It indeed packs ridiculously small and is very lightweight. I’m second-guessing its tapered shape though and still haven’t got used to the feeling of inflatable mattress.

Pillow

At first, I went on trips without a pillow, which proved extremely uncomfortable. I tried to use my fleece and other stuff under my head, and it was a nightmare. Pun not intended 🙄


Then I tried to research pillows and was confused. Many of the recommended pillows were looking quite high, but I know for a fact that I can’t handle high pillows.


So turns out that the height of the pillow depends on how you sleep. Apparently, tummy sleepers (which I mostly am) usually need the flattest pillows, side sleepers need the highest pillows, and back sleepers are somewhere in between.

Long story short, I wasn’t sure any inflatable pillow would suit me, and they are pricey as well.


What I ended up doing is using the down cover of my regular pillow. At home we have the weird type of pillows that have memory foam pieces inside, and have an outer cover filled with down. It is very flat, but when folded, can work as a small down pillow. Being down it also compresses pretty well.


It’s not ideal, but for now, it works.

Backcountry pillow
Sea to Summit eVent Compression Dry Sack - Medium

E-Vent compression sack

Though I don’t use it for the actual sleep, I still think it's worth mentioning my Sea to Summit eVent Compression Dry Sack (Medium) as it keeps my sleeping bag, pillow and sleep clothes dry. And that’s instrumental to not only comfort, but safety in the backcountry, as dump down sleeping bag would lose its insulation properties.

It’s an amazing piece, I have already wrote about it in the 5 items that made a difference to my outdoor experience blog post.

Base layer top

Now, to the clothes. The top I slept in during my 2020 trips is Mountain Warehouse Snowdon Melange Womens Fleece. It was just a random long sleeve top I picked up at Mountain Warehouse without researching 😬, as it was very cheap, like $20, and I didn’t really know what I want.


It is actually very warm - when I put it on and crawl into my sleeping bag, I feel like it’s actively warming me up 😳 

The problem is - it haz ZERO breathability. So don’t even think hiking in it as I did during the sunrise “mission” on my Wedgemount lake trip 😅. I was sweating at night/morning while sleeping in it couple times, which was a bit annoying. Otherwise, it isn’t bad.


I would say, if you’re a cold sleeper and on a tight budget, you would benefit from this piece. Just mind that it doesn’t pack super duper small.


Mountain Warehouse Snowdon Melange Womens Fleece

Base layer bottom

Initially I was using some cheap leggings I had for years that have some fleece inside. On most of my trips I would be cold in my butt and thighs while wearing them at night, so was on a hunt for alternative.

I have eventually switched them to Arc'teryx Rho LT Bottoms, which I used while sleeping only once, it was a pretty mild weather and I was almost fine. So hard to say yet if they are enough.

Also they collect my cats’ hair like crazy ☹️

But I hiked in them once in snow, in about 3-5 degrees C I think, and I was surprisingly not cold. We’ll see.

Fleecy leggings to sleep in the backcountry
Arc'teryx Rho LT Bottoms - Womens

Socks

For sleep, I usually wear a clean pair of hiking socks, and sometimes a pair of thicker socks on top.

My hiking socks are some random medium thickness cotton socks, I don’t remember where I got them (I know, I know, cotton kills. Seriously. I’m on my way to try some Merino wool socks).

In terms of sleep, as long as it’s not too cold, they’re ok. But once the temperatures drop to about 8°C, I would say, they're not enough.


So for the colder nights I would put the warmer socks on, which are some thick socks from Walmart. Well… I really regret buying 4 pairs of them because they add maybe just a tiny bit of warmth, but apparently don’t breath, as my feet start sweating a bit in them and end up being cold anyway. So they are just useless bulk.


Have recently ordered 2 pairs of Merino wool socks, we'll see how it goes.



Ok. Now, to the issues, how the pieces of gear play together and my advice.

Cotton socks
Cheap warm socks
MEC Delphinus -9C Down Sleeping Bag Women's
frost on tent in backcountry alpine

Temperature

Although it’s not the biggest issue for me and not what ruins my sleep in the backcountry, I want to address it first. If you’re looking to start assembling a sleeping system, or to replace some parts of it, warmth is probably the first thing you’re wondering about.


So I want to try and help you to have sense of the “warmth value” of my system:

I am not a cold sleeper, neither I see myself as a hot sleeper.

My sleeping pad R-value is 3.9.

There was 1 time I felt overall cold in my sleep, and it wasn’t all night, but maybe for couple hours. It was in the Buckhorn camp in the Manning Park, BC, which is located at 1800m elevation, and the temperature that night must have been dropped a bit below 0°C, because in the morning there was frost on the grass and on my tent.


That means, this combination of sleeping bag, sleeping pad and clothes were almost keeping me at the comfort temperature in 0°C, while I’m 61-kg female, not hot or cold sleeper.

Also note that my MEC sleeping bag is rated as -9C (not clear whether as comfort or survival rating), while for sure with my current sleeping system I would be freezing at -9C.


Next time while planning to camp at near 0 degrees I will probably bring along a sleeping bag fleece liner. Not sure to what temperature my sleeping system will be good then, need to test it somehow. If you have any experience with sleeping bag liners - pls let me know in the comments!!


So that’s for general “warmth value” of my system. Of course, that’s going to be individual to each person.


As I said I have a couple of issues with warmth of my system, above the 0 degrees.

The minor one is that sometimes I get too hot in my fleece top during the night, which wakes me up. To try and solve this, I have ordered the Arc’teryx Rho AR top, but as of writing this it haven’t arrived yet. Actually, I wouldn’t spend this much money on a sleeping top alone, but the main reason to buy it was actually solving problems with sweating while hiking in cold temperatures, which I’ll write about one day maybe 😁 Anyway, that one should be both warm and breathable and we’ll see how it goes.


The more annoying issue that I have, is, as I said, I’m often cold in my butt, thighs and feet while trying to fall asleep. I’m usually getting warm during the night, but it makes it harder to fall asleep initially. The solution there is pretty simple - I need to get a decent base layer bottom, in case my Rho LT bottom will prove insufficient, and a really warm pair of socks - which is in progress.


Ok. Done with temperature.

Comfort

This one is a major issue. It’s not only that “it’s not fun” for me to sleep in the backcountry, but I can’t fall asleep for hours and my whole body hurts in the morning.



I sound dramatic here, but I’m not looking for pity or anything. I’m just being honest and want people to know how it really is for some other people so that they can make a more informed decision about what gear to get to themselves.


That said, it’s still worth it for me, to suffer some discomfort for being able to visit places I otherwise wouldn’t able to, witness sunsets and sunrises etc.

And that said, I’m still looking for ways to improve it 😁

NeoAir XLite Women's Sleeping Pad

Now, for the issues.

As I said somewhere above, I’m a tummy sleeper (although I’m trying to get myself used to sleep on the back, it doesn’t really work), and the most comfortable position for me is with one leg bent with a knee up, like a number 4. Hope this makes sense.


The problem is that a) it’s something that is hard to do in a mummy bag, and b) it’s something that my tapered pad doesn’t allow either, without my bent leg sliding from it.

And in general, I’m constantly feeling like I’m about to slide off the pad because I’m not lying in a straight line.


If I’m lying on my back, I get a lower back pain, because, it seems that there’s no enough support for the back and it arches. I tried putting my backpack underneath my legs, but it’s horrible 😅 and also makes it impossible to turn to my tummy.

sleeping in a tent

Another issue is the pillow. As I said, I figured I DID need a pillow in the backcountry. Which idk, kinda not surprising that you won’t be comfortable without a pillow in the normal life, but will be - in the field? Anyway, I’m using this down-filled pillow cover and I feel like this is as close to an ideal field pillow as it gets, because no way I’ll be comfortable on inflatable pillows that get too high, I don’t like memory foam and it’s bulky, and down pillows - well, I have one, almost. I might get a mini pillow case to prevent it from unfolding during the night though.


Regarding the comfort problems, my advice to you is - if you are sleeping similarly to me, in weird poses, maybe consider going for another bag shape and for wider pad. For example, Nemo spoon-shaped sleeping bags are wider in the legs. Haven’t tried them, but I eventually might. And if you have - let me know!


For me, at the very moment of writing this, I’m not yet going to replace my sleeping bag and sleeping pad. I have some hope that as I do more backpacking, I will get more used to the feeling of the inflatable pad and will be able to fall asleep faster as I also solve issues in other aspects. 

I do intend to ask about other backpackers’ experience and learn from them. And if all of that fails and I’m still miserable, I’ll try to replace the gear.

So again - make sure to share your experience in the comments below!


sleeping in a tent

Digestion

One of the other major issues that prevents me from falling asleep fast initially and also if I wake up at night is that my digestive system hasn't had the chance to... get relief 🙄 I'm kinda problematic in this sense while not home. Also, many times I’m nervous about setting the camp in time before dark, getting all the pics I want done etc, and this doesn't help the issue.


My current solution that kinda works is to eat dinner as early as possible - around 5pm, let's say, so my body has time to process the food before night time. Comment if you have any other advice 😄

eating meals in the backcountry

Fear

The last issue I have with sleeping in the backcountry is fear. For me, it usually isn’t a major problem, and I see it declining ever since I started backpacking.

I’m calmer while my partner is in the tent with me, but I’m also pretty much ok alone.


I won’t lie and say I’m not scared. I am. Not a whole lot, but I am. Though I feel like it’s not the main reason that is keeping me from sleeping well as the comfort and digestion matters do. I sleep with the bear spray next to me 🙄


The one time I was much more scared than usual was during my Saint Marks trip, and that was because I was actually alone on that mountain. But as long as I’m on a campground with more people in the radius of a hundred meters or so, I kinda feel not alone? You know what I mean…

bear spray sabre

Ok. Kudos to those who read it all. I didn’t know I had that much to say on my simple sleeping system, to be honest.


I really really hope you found some useful bit of info in this post that will help you making your backcountry night’s sleep better!


Comment below your thoughts, as you can see, I’m yet to find all of my answers.


And if you’re interested in what other gear I use - check out the What’s in my backpack blog post for all of my backpacking gear with pics and links.


Cheers!


Oless



October 2021 update: I have upgraded parts of my sleeping gear and this season my experience is much better! Read the My sleeping system doesn't suck anymore blog post to learn about my solutions.

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